Dots on old expired films... where do they come from?

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Recently I wrote a film review (in german) about a special film which was covered over and over with blue and red dots: http://www.lomography.com/magazine/reviews/2010/11/27/agfa-rsx-200-professional-seit-11-jahren-abgelaufen-und-mit-seltsamen-effekten

In this review, some people started to discuss where these dots could come from. A working collegue of mine, which is very experienced with cameras, said, that it’s maybe the condensation water after cooling the films in a fridge or a freezer. I used many old and expired films, but tis only happened twice to me. The second one was in one of my latest albums, and there are only a few dots. I got this film from somebody who had also cooled it, and the first one I got from ebay.

Credits: shoujoai

Here are some more examples from other users of the community:

Credits: frauspatzi, darryl1208 & paper_doll

Is there any photo geek outside here who knows the answer? First I thought that it is something like a joke, and somebody just sold me a film where he exposed some dots before. But this happens often enough to say that it’s not a joke, but not often enough to know more about it. I somehow like the dots and would like to have more spotted films!

The brands of the films are: Agfa CT Precisa 100, Agfa CT Precisa 200, Agfa RSX, Konica Chrome 100

Additional pictures: a scan of the negative (positive and negative):

Credits: shoujoai

geschrieben von shoujoai am 2011-03-15

17 Kommentare

  1. vgzalez
    vgzalez ·

    Wow. Actually, I have no idea, but it came out so cool!!

  2. shoujoai
    shoujoai ·

    I first thought that it's something Agfa-specific, but it happened also with a Konica film...

  3. clickiemcpete
    clickiemcpete ·

    It's very interesting isn't it? I'd like to know too.

  4. jbphoto
    jbphoto ·

    Do the colored spots show up as pits on your film? Are these all processed through the same lab?
    I've worked in photo labs for 10 years and I don't think I have ever seen this... If I could see your actual negatives I might be able to give you a better idea. I would tend to think it was a photo lab issue of some sort since they look so similar on the different types of film.

  5. shoujoai
    shoujoai ·

    No, there are no pits and they got through different labs (private lab and supermarket lab). The negatives are very dark... I will upload a scan of the negatives and add it to the blog entry!

  6. jbphoto
    jbphoto ·

    Showed it to my boss who has been doing photo lab work for over 30 years and he says that it seems like moisture is the most likely culprit. The biggest thing to baffles both of us is that they are so perfectly round. I thought it could be air bubbles, but since they were done at different places processing errors are pretty much ruled out.

    Maybe you're being haunted and they are evidence of paranormal activity. : )

  7. jbphoto
    jbphoto ·

    So I guess the lesson is (and this is what I tell other people): IF you freeze your film, pull it from your freezer and put it in your fridge. Let it sit in there for a day or two and then pull it out and put it on your counter for a little while. You should avoid going right from the freezer to outdoors (especially in the summer) as it will cause condensation.
    Usually condensation or water on film looks a bit more amorphous, but that is the only thing that I can think that your spots might be...

  8. jbphoto
    jbphoto ·

    Oh... and sorry for the multiple replies... but...
    Don't open the film canister (35mm) or the wrapper (120) until it is to room temp. This will also keep moisture from condensing on your film.

  9. shoujoai
    shoujoai ·

    Thank you for the replies! It's nice to hear more about where these dots could come from. I also remarked, that the films where they occure are very dark and violett.
    I did not use them directly after taking them out of the freezer, because I never freeze or cool films (want these expired effects ^_^), so they were on room temperature for several weeks or month. But I don't know what people did before.

    The most important question for me is not how to avoid them, it's - how do I get them? ;)

  10. alehopgm
    alehopgm ·

    Hahahaha! Great article, with a very interesting effect that I would like to get too. Very good comments from @jbphoto but we continue without a tip to get it!

  11. shoujoai
  12. blueskyandhardrock
    blueskyandhardrock ·

    cool!

  13. cfib
    cfib ·

    look at the section "Air Bells"
    www.olympusmicro.com/primer/photomicrography/colornegprocer…
    maybe these old emulsions are more sensitive towards air or something...

    btw: this site is VERY useful if you want to find out what you did wrong in color processing :D

  14. shoujoai
    shoujoai ·

    thanks @cfib! I searched on your link, but I do not think it is a developping error, must be more depending on the film, because they were developped by a big laboratory in a very standarized process. Maybe it has to do with cross-processing on very old slide films...

  15. cfib
    cfib ·

    that's what i meant... my theory is that somehow during storage (or even development) gas (e.g. air) builds up inside the film... of course the standard processes would not be prepared for sth like that...

  16. shoujoai
    shoujoai ·

    @cfib: Yeah, the air bells have the same size - but they are little dots without exposure. The strange thing is that these dots are so colorful! Maybe little gas or air balls with anything in it which starts a chemical reaction with the film and which grows during storage... ?
    My goal is to get this effect by purpose, and this still seems to be far away :D

    Oh ok... I should read further "On some occasions, air bells appear reddish or blue when they occur during fixing." You are so right!

  17. brunobengen
    brunobengen ·

    I got this green dots once with a lomo 120mm film and was amazing. whish i could get to do it again, if someone has any tips???
    www.instagram.com/p/vuvufSBiXt/?taken-by=brunobengen